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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: joeblow2 on July 22, 2011, 07:17 pm
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Sir,
It appears that Mr. Sneaky has lived up to his name and scammed everyone. This has been discussed at length and in detail on another thread on this forum. I have no idea (and no one else seems to know either) how to present to you a case so his listings will be removed from the opiates section. At this point he can only be A. trying to get people to send money without escrow (which is what he tried with me personally) and/or B. harvesting addresses for future blackmail or because he is some form of LE. There is a third possibility; that he just enjoys corresponding with people on drug buying forums, but I would consider that highly unlikely.
Probably you are quite busy and have many things to do simultaneously. So, any kind of reply, even just "done" would be fine. If you are deciding to leave him up there, however, a further explanation would be most welcome. Also informative for myself, and others, should this occasion arise again. Despite my somewhat glib writing style, I am writing in all seriousness and sincerity. I just find it hard to be totally serious when opiated heavilyyyyyyy☁☁☁☁☁☁☁.........
your very happy user,
Joe
(Ok boys and girls, come and co-sign if you want Bverrry Sneaky off those listings so guys like aromatics and yorkshirefog can get their due!)
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Aye, confirmed scammers should be banned!
In the old forum there was a fellow also named Barry S - same one?
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I don't know...the fucker has been *so* instructional on what *not* to do. He is the main reason that I would like to see a more prominent *link* to these forums. Some way to get new buyers to get their asses over here before buying from *anybody!* The main reason BS thrives is because most newbies don't come to forums until *after* BS has pmed them, and asked them to lift escrow. He seems to have the one ripoff scam that consistently works: he gets good feedback by selling cheap junk which he actually delivers, then uses this feedback to convince buyers to lift escrow, then takes their btc and get cash for it. No mystery to me...but again, too many are learning the hard way, that the forums are where newbies need to come...So I don't care what they do with BS. I would have bought from him myself, but I've been on the forums from the getgo, so I checked on here, and realized he was a rip, and didn't have to go through that.
The real need is to find a way to get newbies to use forums.
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Aye, confirmed scammers should be banned!
In the old forum there was a fellow also named Barry S - same one?
Really? Hahahaha....I didn't even remember that. Of course it's the same guy...he was just going "incognito" back then. Wow! Since the young uns' like acronyms, mine for this is WFMWAS=well fuck me with a stick!
@phubaiblues-yes, you are absolutely correct. The only idea I have is to have SR put that BIG SIGN on the front page of SR marketplace that everyone come to the forums to check on your seller's reputation BEFORE purchasing. Don't rely on feedback alone as when the numbers are small it can be manipulated. Give a blatant example. Then, a similar statement on *each sellers page* could also maybe have an effect. I just can't stand seeing those three or four guys with one line each, who are legit sellers doing a good job, being sandwiched out by BS's multiple listings. If he lists enough items, he could have the whole front page, more or less. Are drug buyers more industrious than Google users? Would anyone go beyond the front page? IDK. But it just ain't right. No sir.
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I agree: not sure exactly what the solution is...so it seems he was on here before they started auctioning off seller accounts, and has put some thought into this, and from what I can see, realizes that most new buyers don't come to forums, so he can contine to prey on the, and since his feedack is prominent, gets away with it...sometimes I have to remind myself that, in spite of the periodic outbreaks of sanity on here--illy ha ha--that most of the crimes go unreported, probably on SR and forums both. People buy shit from BS, he convinces them to lift escrow, they do, they send him btc...or hell, who knows, he may be getting LR or WU...thru pm's anything is possible...and then once in a while, one of them will show up here...but that might be one out of every 10 or 20 that get ripped...
I know enough people are making noise about the real ripoffs, that hopefully SR/us will come up with way to stop it, or at least get rid of people like BS. I"m all for 'buyer beware' and all, but we need to at least make sure the playing field is even...
The other problem that the illy fiasco reminds me of, is that we need to make sure to differentiate between outright and obvious rips, like BS, and the more common, and more confusing problem of products that don't arrive, like illy. The second one will always be with us, and the forums are so useful for letting newbies know what is going on...but the first problem, the outright ripoffs, we should try to get rid of...need to stomp the fuckers out.
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Have you PM'd Silk Road?
That would be the thing to do, the more people in his PMs about Barry Sneaky the quicker action will take place.
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I will do it NOW sir! As you are the mod and the one with the skinny, I'm assuming you know best.
I would also request that everyone who doesn't want to see Barry Sneaky up on the opiate board (and the other places, like wherever his "get rich quick" pyramid scheme bullshit gets posted) pls send a PM to Silk Road and put "please remove scammer Barry Sneaky's listings" as the message title. Or whatever you desire, but something obvious like that. 8) It will be nice to see the good vendors lined up all down the front page.
Hope it works...
@nomad-I wasn't going to do this originally because I just assumed he didn't want a flood of stuff like that in his PM box. So, if I get in trouble with Dad Silk, I'm gonna tell him my big bro Nomad told me I should do it. ;)
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Have you PM'd Silk Road?
That would be the thing to do, the more people in his PMs about Barry Sneaky the quicker action will take place.
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Definitely do this. I've spoken to them about suspicious activity, suspicious sellers, users, whatever might endanger us.
It's always appreciated.
Do not be afraid to send them concerned messages, but remember they get more messages than you can imagine / day :D
~B
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ban that cock sucker...scammers should be burned at the steak but since this is an anonymous site then he should be banned....
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To his credit, SR notes consistent complaints on here too. In spite of how busy he is keeping site up, when we have a problem, and come up with sound solutions, he often takes heed. The vendors auction, and the changes in escrow are cases in point.
Main thing with me, which would solve much of the ripoffs and non-deliveries, are for us to find a good, reasonable way, to get newbies to come to forums first, and see if their vendor is being discussed...much of the problems we've been discussing could be solved this way.
I kind of agree, that I don't think we should bombard him with pm's on SR itself. Don't you agree that is unwise?
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Yes phubaiblues, I agree, but there are already two links on the home page...maybe a link should be listed on top that says all newbie educate yourself on vendors in the forum before any purchases.
;)
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Just for clarification: I sent Silk Road a PM here; at the forum.
I'm sure if everyone does the same, he will take whatever action he deems fitting; as soon as he has an available moment.
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Yeah, I'm not sure either, how exactly to change it effectively. Maybe it's just one of those 'pay your dues' thing...but it is kind of blatant that he can persist without any consequences. I know there's already a link, too, but like you'all, I feel that we're preaching to the choir here, and wish there was a way to get newbies to check out buyers before they purchase.
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This guy has been a known scammer for a while now. He is not only hurting customers, but hurting the Silk Road.
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And I know SR has just changed the profile system, and I looked him up. I mentioned in that thread that there should be *some* way of letting buyers know that this seller has been complained about. Again, if they'd come to forums before first purchase...but that never happens. Most newbies are just so excited to be at SR, that they purchase blindly, and only when their shit doesn't show up, do they bother coming to forums and seek our opinions...too late, by then...see endless 'illy' thread for examples...hahaha...:(
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He was on Silkroad market 13 hours ago. So, he is still a sammin....
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I don't feel good about what I'm reading here. And you're right phubiasblues, all newbies should come to these forums before making purchases. But with all the positive reviews from other buyers, who'd a thought he was a scammer. I received a PM from BarrySneaky on 7/18 stating that his product would be shipped out that same day. Well, today is 7/23 and it hasn't arrived yet, so we'll see what happens...probably nothing. :(
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Maybe something in their SRmarket profile that says "This seller's reputation is in question" that is clickable and takes you to a thread that is deemed "the thread" in regards to the particular seller. Maybe after multiple complaints from members he trusts or mods notifying SR of a thread where people are getting ripped, he can designate that is the thread the new buyers can click on to see what is being said. He can have a disclaimer saying this doesn't mean they are for sure a scammer and to do their own homework or whatever.
Barry was one of the first names I saw when I joined SR. Ofc I hit the forums first, that should be law. It's alot easier for someone to lie when they are alone with you, hard to do when there are 50 guys in the room that can call bullshit.
Either way Barry should be caught and beaten. Scammers are the lowest of the low, either buy ripping a buyer off or ripping a seller off by claiming to not have received something to get freebies. He's probably just a junky who got strung out, he probably found out about SR, figured he could flip some 10 dollar bags for 20 and then started going crazy with it and ended up hitting the point where you can no longer reup and on top owe.
I bet anything he reads these forums if he hadn't already panwed his computer to get a few bags. Fucking junkies. Please any new people to the scene do not let this fuck resurface or take any more money. A common junky stunt is for someone to claim they got arrested trying to get your stuff. This is the kind of thing you learn when you are 15 if you have done this for a while but I can just see it now with him claiming he got arrested getting stuff for everyone and then maybe linking some random fuck from his local clerk of courts to prove he really did get arrested. Someone will get the urge to use and believe his bullshit and another round of fuckery will happen.
Hope he's sick as fuck now shaking like a leaf against a wall outside of some fag bar while it's snowing when he's waiting to suck off another john for his fix.
I don't want to look like some sort of buyers advocate, I haven't bought shit from any tor sites. Last time I bought you actually had to be someone to get on the board. The sites weren't in wikipedia articles. In some cases you had to convince the seller to sell to you. The reason Barry, and Illy piss me off so much is they are fucking junkies trying to take shit. I can just picture them telling me some bullshit about them getting a check fed ex' tomorrow from their grandfather the oil millionares estate and if i can just...I always thought it was the cost of doing business that you'd get the occasional fake bill (you want to know where to get funny money? sell drugs), them claim to get shorted if you ever do a quick hand off or any other number of things but that is for the dealer to either catch or eat, now it's happening to buyers?
Pull his seller account until he comes in here and answers for his crimes. At least do this.
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Well I am a newbie AND I got ripped off from BS. You might have seen my rant on another post about him on a previous thread. About newbies and forums.....
You guys need to understand that when I heard of SR I was so excited. Here is a place that I can buy anything (online)and I dont have to worry about getting shot, robbed or whatever. This here is a marketplace that has sellers reputations listed for our use and i figure the bad sellers are looked down upon.
Well, by the time we figured out how to downlaod tor, figure out what a BTC is, and how to get logged in. I heard the churchbels ringing and felt i was a kid in a candy store for the first time. Oh what should i buy? look at all the quatities. I narrow down what i am lookijg for, and i am excited to get my first purchase in the maul i see there us sme feedback, But I assume everyone is freiendly. Like one of those family friendly farmer's gardens. All the venders had to go through some type of screening process.
I just want t get my drug of choice in the mail... and enjoy it at home. I no longer have to steel out of my friends medicine cabinetsThe typical newbies will not go searching the forums for suggested buyers, They just want to enjoy their drug and use and figure out the next item to buy.
P.S. I will PM SR too
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I had an idea to fight fire with fire. I don't have a seller's account and don't have anything to sell, but I was thinking on buying a seller's account just so I could make a listing for "Barry Sneaky is a scam!!" Then, in the product description, you could give a quick summary of what his game is and link to the forums. That should shut him down quick, because people could see the warning on the same page as his scam listings.
Barry Sneaky shouldn't be talked about in the same sentence as Illy though. These are completely different situations, as BS is, well, BS, and Illy was simply in over her head. I ordered from Illy, and should be getting my BTC back any minute now, thanks to escrow, and BS not using escrow was the only reason I didn't order from him, but with all the "positive feedback" that he has, it is tempting to order from him. People need to know that this feedback is fake, that he gives it to himself, and his offer of selling feedback "good or bad" is a bunch of crap as he will cancel your feedback order so that you can't really give it. We all know his game, and why SR is letting this go on for weeks and weeks is beyond me.
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Well I am a newbie AND I got ripped off from BS. You might have seen my rant on another post about him on a previous thread. About newbies and forums.....
You guys need to understand that when I heard of SR I was so excited. Here is a place that I can buy anything (online)and I dont have to worry about getting shot, robbed or whatever. This here is a marketplace that has sellers reputations listed for our use and i figure the bad sellers are looked down upon.
Well, by the time we figured out how to downlaod tor, figure out what a BTC is, and how to get logged in. I heard the churchbels ringing and felt i was a kid in a candy store for the first time. Oh what should i buy? look at all the quatities. I narrow down what i am lookijg for, and i am excited to get my first purchase in the maul i see there us sme feedback, But I assume everyone is freiendly. Like one of those family friendly farmer's gardens. All the venders had to go through some type of screening process.
I just want t get my drug of choice in the mail... and enjoy it at home. I no longer have to steel out of my friends medicine cabinetsThe typical newbies will not go searching the forums for suggested buyers, They just want to enjoy their drug and use and figure out the next item to buy.
P.S. I will PM SR too
Damn! A whole slew of postings like this are *inevitable* if Barry Sneaky's listings are not removed or, at least, a link to his thread here provided on his seller's page.
In the midst of all the great things going on here and the feedback system improvements today, this is a situation that is just absolutely unnecessary! It doesn't need to happen to ONE MORE PERSON!
I'm hoping now that the feedback system is updated that the issue of how to handle obvious scammers is now the #1 priority! :)
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I think we need to clarify that what I've heard BS doing is outfront ripopff: talking people into finalizing early, or lifting escrow, and then keeping the money. I've had other sellers just not deliver, but because I have escrow, I'm protected, and don't worry as much. I do lift escrow occasionally, for sellers I trust, but that's on me if it doesn't show up. Between me and seller. If I bypass escrow, I can't complain later to SR. Personally, I've never had a seller rip me off, but that's because I come to forums, and pay attention. I have had two sellers not deliver, one canceled, one I just had to wait on, but I hestitate to call them 'ripoffs' as it muddies the waters. They are irritations. Ripoff is when somebody lies to me and takes my money. Escrow is there for a reason...as are these forums. The one seller who didn't deliver, I got my money back, and he left SR so no harm done.
We are doing our best to get newcomers to show up at forums. I even state that in feedback, especially when I do lift escrow. I encourage other buyers to do that also: leave a note to new buyers in your feedback to come to forums for more info.